1Nyro (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

yeah, until they pump it full of thermerasol.

TruthUnderYourNose (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

yes, Dr. Tenpenny is the BEST! That video opened my eyes! I wish everyone would watch it. I wish I had before I let the doctors give my kids all those shots.

ScarlettLane (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

vaccines are not madated actually.......if a child does not get mmr's and other vaccines, they are simply warned by medical letters sent out in schools that there is an out break or something of that matter.....There are so many ppl, that are not putting vaccinations into there children and are using other methods to keep children safe and healthy. Do you know what are in vaccines....bits of DNA...look it up. :)

jinjit1 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

To FF: I support gun rights, but not the right to shoot randomly in the street. Unless we prohibit people from walking around while ill, we must require vaccines, which is much more sensible and enforceable. Additionally, calling someone "asinine" is not the most sophisticated way to add to a discussion. I suggest a more mature reaction. I am no longer reading responses (save your insults), as I have concluded that youtube is not the best venue for reasoned discussion on a mature plane.

fredfighteru (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Mr jinjit1,Here in the United States I think the odds of an unvaccinated person contracting a contagious disease, and then transmitting it to another person who wanted to be vaccinated but was unable to, is so minute as to render your argument asinine on the facts alone, without even considering the principles. -- FF

befr33 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Check Google Video, won't cost more than your time... and there are plenty of other references. Dr. Tennpenny have scrutinized CDC's own documents and found many inconsistencises. Re: Polio, one reason it declined, apart from that people were becoming naturually immune before the vaccin (which actually casued a slight increase before it went down again - check the chart) was that they changed the Polio definition (?)How's that for good science?

jinjit1 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I am a libertarian like Ron Paul, but I disagree with him on this issue. I don't think vaccination is a personal decision, unless you also undertake the corresponding obligation to stay in your house 24/7 lest you sicken an innocent passerby who was unable to get the vaccine for medical reasons. Getting someone else sick is an imposition, so in this case, the government is correct to mandate it.

fredfighteru (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

A quick news search for the supposed measles outbreaks in Sydney and Baltimore has come up empty. If you provide information, sufficient for a person to find literature on the stories, I will look into them, just like I looked into your statements about the CDC.-- FF

fredfighteru (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

rplende wrote: "(78% in the Sydney case) had been vaccinated! That spells "no Immunity" by vaccine."Wrong.You are presenting a false dichotomy.That something (such as vaccination) is not 100% effective, does not imply that it is 0% effective.Some people are killed in auto accidents despite the fact that they were wearing seatbelts. Does that spell "seatbelts provide no protection in auto accidents"?If you understand that it does not, apply that same logic to vaccination.-- FF

rplende (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

There are many recent cases of outbreaks of measles eg Western Sydney, an outbreak in Baltimore of either measles or one of the common diseases, (which one escapes me at the moment) where well over half the cases of the diseased people recorded (78% in the Sydney case) had been vaccinated! That spells "no Immunity" by vaccine. My wife is a nurse and knows of a case where 10 children were brought to emergency for whooping cough, 9 of them were vaccinated against it!