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M48Lives (September 7, 2008 at 4:24 pm)
Hey Madogfist o crudsucker. Let's look at it this way. What have the AIRABS contributed to modern-day humanity? If you can think of any more than 2 let us know. 1)TERROR 2)irrate managing of an oil industry that was developed for them and put in their lap in the hope it would bring them out of the Dark Ages. Well, that was a no go. Next time you go to the airport remember why you have to be there 2 hours in advance. Then ask if the "left pilangie" has been checked. Limey idiot.
MadDogOfist (September 7, 2008 at 3:12 pm)
I don't associate Israel with conflict alone, but the video shows two things in the main: Israelis giving aid and Arabs chanting hateful slogans. One does not explain the other. It dehumanises the Arabs into hateful mongrels and presents Israel as saintly. This is not true of either side. Can we at least agree on that - as that is all I want?
MadDogOfist (September 7, 2008 at 3:12 pm)
1) but you see anti-semitism as absolute evil - and I say it can be explained.2) what jew hating cud? I can only report that here in Britain there is no such thing. We have balanced reporting, by law.3) Direct translation of antisemite propaganda of the west: forgive me, I listened to the rabbi I was lectured by, and believed the books I read.4) I AM NOT ANTI ISRAELI. I am anti-blindness, I am anti-propoganda, I am anti deathly thoughts of absolute evil. (cont)
Kurtlane (September 7, 2008 at 1:43 am)
When I went to Israel in 2001, after I turned on the radio and heard something different from the usual barrage of Israel-hating cud, I felt as if I've just escaped from Nazi Germany.Very sad.
Kurtlane (September 7, 2008 at 1:42 am)
If someone living in Nazi Germany were to say that Jewish people are just as human as everyone and should have the same rights as everyone, he would not only be quickly silenced, but most people would treat him like a nut case, because their minds would be so filled with Nazi propaganda, which they wouldn't be willing to question. And now minds of most people are to a greater or lesser degree filled with anti-Israel propaganda. And you are no exception. (cont.)
Kurtlane (September 7, 2008 at 1:41 am)
3) "they have REASON to be yelling death to Israel."And those "reasons" are no more sane or reasonable than Nazis yelling "Jude werreck" ("death to the Jews"). The stuff you say (about Israeli murder of civilians and annexing of Palestine, Hamas merely repeating European Jew-hatred, no animosity before 1948) is nothing more than regurgitation of the "common wisdom" you've swallowed and aren't willing to question.(cont.)
Kurtlane (September 7, 2008 at 1:38 am)
(OK, he's a literary hero, but there are plenty of real non-Jewish victims of evil. Take a look at the Rwandan genocide, for example.) 2) "this video appeared to me as an exercise in denial and this I criticised."I'm telling you for the 3rd time: you misread it. If anything, it would be a denial to associate Israel only with the conflict.(cont.)
Kurtlane (September 7, 2008 at 1:36 am)
MadDog, sorry, I don't know what "So it is that acts are decontextualised, thus robbed of their sense, making an impenetrable barrier to communion. This can be broken, but not directly challenged. ... etc." means.To address what I do understand:1) "'one of the true roots of jew-hatred' is 'absolute evil'. And what is absolute evil? Jew-hatred."No. Absolutely not. Billy Budd was not Jewish. (cont.)
MadDogOfist (September 7, 2008 at 12:46 am)
... I did not allege brutality, I did not name call, I did not criticise Israel and wouldn't waste my time doing so - this video appeared to me as an exercise in denial and this I criticised. It tried to say 'Israel is great, despite...' but those Arabs don't define Israel by this video's standards. they have REASON to be yelling death to Israel, whether we like it or not. I would be interested in watching a video that addressed these reasons without selling one side as good and the other evil
MadDogOfist (September 7, 2008 at 12:45 am)
so 'one of the true roots of jew-hatred' is 'absolute evil'. And what is absolute evil? Jew-hatred. So it is that acts are decontextualised, thus robbed of their sense, making an impenetrable barrier to communion. This can be broken, but not directly challenged. The issue is not an easy one - don't assume others have it better than you, whatever their country - your philosophy, however, ultimately leads to war. People may be easily led - but this does not mean that their first lesson is final... |
