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alienzen (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
you seem to be looking at iraq as only a military problem. Sure military people are the best to decide how to handle military problems, but there are also political and diplomatic solutions. The failure of the Iraq invasion was not only a military failure, it was a diplomatic failure.
battim (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
not really. strategical errors happen. ike admitted them in WW2. there is nothing wrong with changing things. and you don't have to use laymens terms with me. many top brass were public about their dismay in the management on the war, thats the reason things changed for the better.
Springr1911 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
We can go back and forth on time lines of who said what and at what time, but the bigger picture is that WE ARE AT WAR. Part of winning is how your enemy perceives you. Admitting failure will only embolden them. If youre in a bar brawl you dont start yelling in the middle of it about how wrong you are while throwing punches. You finish it, then figure out hows to blame while you clean up the joint. To put it laymans terms.
battim (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
look forward to it.
battim (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
i agree. but it took them 5 years to admit that. in the mean time folks died.
TonyaTko (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Nice Video!I did one too about this whole debacle. I will send it to you. Tell me what you think.-TonyaTko
battim (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
not wrong. my only point is the surge has made for a more secure iraq. quoting pm's is childish. its called a pm. regardless, getting out and allowing them a fighting changes is moral, leaving when its still in civil war is cowardly.
lazlo5149 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
To be clear, and to quote your PM to me:"my point has always been, get it to that point and then get the fuck out of that hellpit. the middle east only finds a lack of violence when it has some depsot threatening the population regularly."So what's the point of the surge if you're just going to bail anyway?So... you're wrong. And also dishonest.
battim (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
i guess it all depends how you define the word is. lol. it worked. long term solutikons take generations, not seeing that is ignoring reality. the job was not to fix things permantly as regards to the nature of man. we've been working at that for 10,000 years. regardless, you were wrong.
lazlo5149 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
I guess it depends on how you define "work". Again, I don't think anyone has ever claimed we couldn't temporarily quell violence in Iraq. The question is does it help solve the long term situation in Iraq? I think we both agree the answer is "No". |
